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pugdog
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Nov 12, 2003, 12:46 PM

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We've seen the final proof of our article in Beadwork. The next issue should be out soon, and we can't wait to see it!

We've been playing with more of the new fishing lines, and Marie has been weaving with some of them. We'll have more findings posted shortly, but we are waiting for Beadwork to hit, with the first findings.

There are some new lines out that advertise they are best for "abrasive" situations, which will (maybe?) work better for weaving (on and off loom) since the thread pulling through the beads several times is an "abrasive" situation (it would seem?).

There are obviously more questions than answers, and while we do not have all of the answers, we do have a load of questions <G> (actually, we have some answers too!)

We'd like to hear your experiences with Power Pro, Fireline, Spider Line, or any of the others that you may have tried. Other brands vary by region, but are somewhat similar in characteristics.

One of the problems with all sorts of fibers is snapping. We've had virtually every line snap for what seemed like no reason at all. Some lines we find snap more often than others, or snap more often in certain situations.

I'm still a fan of the new beading wires, mostly using Fire Mountain's house brand of Accuflex. 7x7 stranded wire, in 0.024 gauge when I can, 0.019 when I can't, and 0.014 when I must. Given a choice, I will use a wire. But, I have found there are times that only a fiber will do.
PUGDOG's Rock & Bead Shop
Pittsburgh, PA 15217

pugdog
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Nov 14, 2003, 10:14 AM

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I was browsing the net this morning, and one of the other *BIG* differences between the new fishing lines (flat lines like Firelilne, and mono filaments) and the "old" NyMo (Nylon Monofilament) is, is that you *DO* *NOT* have to pre-stretch and condition the new stuff. Actually, you can hurt yourself trying!

The new lines have almost _ZERO_ play, and they are advertised to fishermen as being able to telegraph when a fish swims by the line 100 feet or more back to your pole!

Old monofilaments had a lot of stretch, and play, and even while you were working, the end you were using got longer (and thinner) than the end you started out with. *NOT* so with the new stuff!

We are not sure if they simply break (remember the random snapping problems), or if they are just immune to the whole "pull" thing, but they do not stretch, need pre-conditioning, or will get longer (and looser) as you wear it.

BE WARNED: DO NOT "TEST" KNOTS by wrapping around your fingers and pulling! You will get hurt! Paper-cut like injuries that can go VERY deep! This stuff is STRONG, and does *NOT* give.
PUGDOG's Rock & Bead Shop
Pittsburgh, PA 15217

mosaic
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Jan 23, 2004, 3:15 AM

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I have just read with interest the first part of your article in Beadwork Magazine, and with some nervousness as well.

In the past month or so I have been making a beaded door screen and using 'Sufix' Hydrofine with 6.3 kilo (14lb) weight. My project is almost 2/3rd completed and last weekend when I hung it up for a looksee, with horror, one of the threads broke....
On close inspection it appeared as if the line had been melted, the broken end was very tapered as if it had been heated and stretched.

I initally chose this line as it was within my budget (Australian $38.00 per 115metres), and the salesman assured me it was very strong and sunlight would not be a problem, but now I believe this may have been a serious mistake.

I am quite loathe to continue with this line, and may end up replacing all threads with Tiger wire if I have another occurence of breaking. I sincerley hope that this is a once off and is merely an intermittent fault in the line.

So far I have found that this line seems to hold a knot well. My threads are attached to Nylon Braiding which will eventually be fastened to a small wooden board. To attach the threads I looped them twice though the braid, knotted the line and then sewed the tail up and back through the braid on top of each other. This has worked well and I haven't had any problems with knots slipping. If I continue, I will likely finish the strand with a crimp, altho I intend to hang the peice for a week or 2 to monitor any stretch before tying off permanently.

All the best with your next article.

Jan

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Jan 31, 2004, 8:51 AM

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Hi,

Sorry for the delay here. I'm deep into moving servers to a much larger machine, and we have a lot of servers :)

FWIW: the new nylons do not streatch, per se. they telegraph all fishy input all the way up the line. But... we have seen a lot of breakage. Some random. Some abrasion. Some ????

The new nylons are _better_ than the old, but careful choice/selection between nylon, metal or fiber should be the first undertaking of a new job.

If a project is going to be subjected to wet, body salts and oils, and other similar damp abuse, nylons and sterling crimps+superglue or knots are the best way to go. They will last longer than other fibers, and metals which will eventually corrode or rust.

If a project is simply going to be weight bearing, as a door way set of beads, in doors, without much abuse, you can get by with the thickest nylon you can use (large hole beads should be on "cord" not "line"). Crystals, smaller beads, etc, can be safely strung with wire, if you use a flexible attachment at the top. You do not want the wire to stress at a single point. So crimping loosely around a bar, using double crimps spaced a quarter inch apart, etc can help relieve point stress. This should last fairly well.

Sunlight: this is the bane of nylons and naturals, and only moderatly problematic for the wires. Remember, the wires are coated with plastic! The wire itself will survive, but the coating will break down, and dampness will become a problem.

For this sort of project, I would think the braided nylons in as thick a strand as you can use, would be the best. Make sure the beads have smooth edges (crystals will cut through, eventually, or even quickly), although because the strands will be vertical, and only infrequently handled (as passed through) the wear and tear will be less.

Honestly, I don't think there is a "universal" answer for this, or any other question. And, no matter what, over time, things will have to be restrung. Nothing lasts for ever, as a whole ... though pieces (the two pieces on either side of the split) will make it seem like it should.
PUGDOG's Rock & Bead Shop
Pittsburgh, PA 15217

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